That's ironic.

There were a number of reasons I retrieved and posted the 4 page police report from the East Rutherford, NJ P.D. and these FBI documents on the 9-11-2001 Dancing Israelis incident (links are below).  If any 9-11 researchers had seen them, they failed to make them available for public scrutiny.  As a consequence, some individuals have concluded that the Dancing Israelis were an "urban legend", based only on researchers' opinions and a slew of seemingly disparate facts.

Section 5, page 41

Fill out an FOIA request, or write a letter, and these public records are yours for a few dollars, or free.  So why have we not seen (until now) official documentation on these suspicious events - events that apparently never got a mention in the 9-11 Commission Report?  Zionism Stinks

The answer is right in the documents themselves:

"Give us twenty years and we'll take over your media and destroy your country."

That's the mentality.  Its source is the Talmudic teachings of the rabbis seeping out into softer secular versions.

Obamacare

It is hard to find the words to adequately describe how much of a disaster Obamacare is turning out to be.  The debut of Healthcare.gov has been probably the worst launch of a major website in history, millions of Americans are having their current health insurance policies canceled, millions of others are seeing the size of their health insurance premiums absolutely explode, and this new law is going to result in massive numbers of jobs being lost.  It is almost as if Obamacare was specifically designed to wreck the U.S. economy.  Not that what we had before Obamacare was great.  In fact, I have long argued that the U.S. health care system is a complete and total train wreck.  But now Obamacare is making everything that was bad about our system much, much worse.  

 Zerohedge

I'm not sure how Democrats are going to play this. 

Not surprising that Obama Inc. is better at winning elections than running the country.  Remember all their data mining and information processing capabilities when it came to that: 

"We are going to measure every single thing in this campaign," he said after taking the job.

He hired an analytics department five times as large as that of the 2008 operation, with an official "chief scientist" for the Chicago headquarters named Rayid Ghani, who in a previous life crunched huge data sets to, among other things, maximize the efficiency of supermarket sales promotions.

 Exactly what that team of dozens of data crunchers was doing, however, was a closely held secret.

"They are our nuclear codes," campaign spokesman Ben LaBolt would say when asked about the efforts. Around the office, data-mining experiments were given mysterious code names such as Narwhal and Dreamcatcher. The team even worked at a remove from the rest of the campaign staff, setting up shop in a windowless room at the north end of the vast headquarters office.

The "scientists" created regular briefings on their work for the President and top aides in the White House's Roosevelt Room, but public details were in short supply as the campaign guarded what it believed to be its biggest institutional advantage over Mitt Romney's campaign: its data.  (How Obama's data crunchers helped him win)

 If only they were as motivated when it came time to process the information for their healthcare laws, huh?

Comment from Collusus

"Stormed" DC trying "to create a war."

AIPAC lobbyists call it "crisis initiation."

But given that over 90% of Americans are tired of trying to find WMDs in everyone's underpants, apparently it's becoming more difficult to create wars now.

It's also a documented fact that anti-Semites now routinely use "Zionist" and "global bankers" to make their rants more ... "appealing."

It's also a documented fact that I grew up refuting Holocaust deniers and real anti-Semites.  But that doesn't mean that I have to support the idea of a human sacrifice/holocaust in which the cabala's sacred six number has the magical properties of creating a "right of return" to Zion.  (I.e. Rothschild Zionism and occultism.)

A lot of peasants died in another war while "global bankers" and oligarchs like the Bushes continued to finance a debt and death paradigms for peasants, that's generally all that can be said of WWII. 

But it's the same bigoted bullsh**.

No it isn't.  Patrick Clawson, the person talking about "crisis initiation" and lobbying for it in the link above probably isn't even Jewish ethnically.  (Not to mention whatever Google employee apparently froze the hit counter on that video.) 

But he is an exceptional Zionist and seems to know all about how to use false flags in order to create wars for "global bankers" to profit from.  I mean, an expert in how to create "crisis initiation" of the sort that only conspiracy theorists would be suspicious of...  for the sake of "national security." 

It's one thing to oppose US action in Syria, Iran, or elsewhere; It's another to use terminology that would make Farrakhan proud.

I don't care what you call it.  Figure out your own way of identifying the problem with ideologies of supremacy linked to a fusion of race/religion and state then.   But don't deny that there's a problem with what has been going on thanks to "Zionists" and PNAC/AIPAC/neocons.

An AIPAC lobbyists have every right -- like any other lobbyist -- to try to presuade lawmakers to act in the interests that they wish; in this case, Israel's.

And when they're lobbying dual citizens, the interests of Israel and Israeli corporations may be put before those of America.  Apparently there are a lot of "special relationships" involved when it comes trying to find WMDs in people's underpants.  (E.g. Chertoff's Rapiscan, scam.)  

You say they want to start a war; they would say they're trying to prevent their annihilation.

Because their illegal nuclear weapons program is about to be blown up or leak radiation on Israeli peasants more than it already has...  or what? 

One could just as easily frame Talmudic factions with their ideologies of racial and tribal/ethnic supremacy and history of terrorism as one can frame Islamic factions for their type of the same thing.  That framing is merely a matter of media and Propaganda Inc., not reality and facts about the factions involved.

 What if Arabs or Muslim thought that Israel and the U.S. were trying to kill or annihilate them and cited "clash of civilization" scholars or extreme "preemptive war" factions in America to prove it?  Would you argue that gives them a right to preemptive war or a right to go into Israel to try to find their illegal nuclear weapons? 

Saving a few links to research... I wasn't aware of the extent to which 911 may not be the only instance of Zionist terrorism.

La Voz de Aztlan (Mexican-American news service), in it's excellent investigative report revealed:
"La Voz de Aztlan has learned that the Israeli Embassy used heavy handed measures to have the two Israelis released. Very high level emergency meetings took place between Mexican Secretary of Foreign Relations Jorge Gutman, General Macedo de la Concha and a top Ariel Sharon envoy who flew to Mexico City specially for that purpose. Elías Luf of the Israeli Embassy worked night and day and their official spokeswoman Hila Engelhart went into high gear after many hours of complete silence. What went on during those high level meetings no one knows, but many in Mexico are in disbelief at their release." (5)
In November of 2001, 6 more suspicious Israelis were detained in an unspecified mid-eastern state. They had in their possession box cutters, oil pipeline plans, and nuclear power plant plans. (6) The local police called in the Feds and Immigration officials took over the scene and released the men without calling the FBI. The Jerusalem Post, the Miami Herald, (7) and the Times of London (8) all carried this amazing story and all revealed how furious FBI officials were that these terror suspects with nuclear power plant plans were allowed to go free. Of course, the corruption riddled FBI would only have caved into Zionist pressure from the Justice Department's Criminal Division boss, Michael Chertoff, and also from the ADL's "partner", FBI boss Robert Mueller - who would no doubt have found a way to eventually release those Israeli terror suspects too.
In December, 2001, the Los Angeles Times published the story of how two jewish terrorists were arrested by the FBI for plotting to blow up the office of US Congressman of Arab descent - Darrell Issa (R-CA), and a California mosque. (9) Irv Rubin and Earl Kruger of the Jewish Defense League (JDL) were charged with conspiracy to destroy a building by means of explosives. This story got brief national coverage but quickly disappeared too.  What Really Happened

It might be worth tracking down the original articles. 

Interesting comments..

Obomba's current war on whistleblowers should tell you something about the state of free speech in the west...

Edit: BTW, please save the responses that say I'm just a western knocker or Obomba damner. It's not bringing anything new to the argument, and is nothing but an ad hominem. There's a reality that the citizens of N. America need to wake up to in terms of imperialism and what problems that has created for both the world and our self. Starting with the first genocide of native peoples that's ongoing (as we can see from the uranium Black Hills of the Lakota people, to the tar sands rivers of the Dene people up in North Athabasca, AB), to our other current genocidal wars over the past decade in the middle east (where the uranium mined, poisoning, & killing Lakota children [*] travels 7,000 miles across the planet to reach Iraqi children, giving them neonatal abnormalities or death[*]) which have left the former in current civil war and chaos, and is about to leave the latter with virtually the same landscape.

The United States and it's NATO allies have been doing this in many countries throughout the world from South America to Africa, to the South Pacific and Eastern Europe, etc, for decades. They don't call it dirty wars for nothing. Do some research on Col. James Steele, and learn about how he trained death squads in Honduras during the '80s (still funded by US to this day) and then gets sent to Iraq to do the same thing to the new "police" force that terrorizes neighborhoods and runs torture houses (only took him a two year stay in Iraq to make sure it was setup for civil war). The same sad mess is happening in Afghanistan where the chief of NATO and US operations there, General Joseph Dunford, told the press two days ago that the Afghani National Police they've been creating over the last decade+ (aka Northern Alliance opium warlords (historical enemies of southern pashtun farmers/Taliban) who's commanders consist of pedophiles and opium addicts) were loosing too many men (he forgot to mention American tax dollars which now adds up to 2-4 trillion dollars today), to the point that we need NATO and the US to keep supporting them for another five years. [*] You may be confused (since the "official" pull out is supposed to happen in 2014), but after going through one of the many US road blockades that are still operated in Iraq to this day, you would realize that "pulling out" really means finishing up a monstrous shit on the entire country, and then leaving our underwear behind to be washed and reused until worn through. The only difference now, is that in Afghanistan, we may have to keep our ass on the shitter for five more years...

I'm sorry but we must face up to the geopolitical reality that is before us, no matter how much of a mockery we can make of it. Western media or citizens bashing Putin or Chavez by name-calling them as dictators is ridiculous. Did Putin or Chavez cause even a fraction of the amount of damage that the US/NATO has over the last decade? No, they were too busy bringing their own people out from under the trenches - that were the disastrous western imported neoliberal economic policies aka soft imperialism aka resource robbery (which devastated these countries socio-economically for years). As far as dictators, let's look at the fact that US presidents can (and have) gone to (overt and cover) war without congressional or public approval or can legally and indefinitely detain it's own citizens...I mean who really has the most dictatorial, and in turn militaristic power on the planet right now? Now, Russia and Venezuela certainly are not perfect or anywhere near that(ie. I'm very critical of the new left environmental political grand standing in South America), but they certainly haven't been as imperialistic or militaristic as the western world and it's dictated "democracy" building...

Edit 2: I apologize for mentioning mainstream western media so many times (I know it's cliche). It's just something we must be very wary of today, when looking at the process of war. Just take a glimpse at how they're treating the conflict in Syria... 

From: Debunking Global Research at Metabunk

WTC 7 vs. the Big Picture

So... David Icke began naming names? I thought he was going to stick with the lizard people stuff.

Well, I was going to say that even if people have begun selling the parking meters and the roads because they don't have enough "money"/debt... at least they haven't begun selling the schools to corporations formed out of a pyramid scheme of ponzi. Yet, they have.

[quote="Alhazred The Sane, post: 72719, member: 15"]Don't guess or speculate on what someone wrote, and that I replied to; go back and follow the thread. Before you interjected your weighty piece my contribution was just a response to the Swedish gent who considered no government to be better than government. I disagreed. We had no need to get 'Hidden Hands' or Praetorian Guards involved at all.[/quote]

Here is what was written: 

[QUOTE]Someone else already asked where funding for our roads, schools, etc, would come from.

In this thread? I didn't spot that. Did anyone answer?

....

In this thread? I didn't spot that. Did anyone answer?

#6. And no, no one answered[/quote]

Where do you suppose that the funding to build the roads is coming from now?  

The fact that the roads and the parking meters and the schools are now being sold to multinational corporations formed out of and financed by the banker's New World Order Inc. form of pseudo government that is itself being formed of the ponzi and by the ponzi should act as a hint.  Is the Fed public or private?  Is the "money" that they're creating to fund the roads money that's needed for more public works and wealth creation... or a form of "national debt" that should be avoided?

With respect to the Praetorian Guards/Secret Service, note that they've been put in charge of policing "counterfeiting" of the ponzi that has pictures of dead presidents that have been assassinated on it.  (Or had assassination attempts against them, while all evidence points to the international banksters and their secret societies.)

It would be a big joke and a great comedy, if the assassinations and the levels of poverty and so forth caused by bankers weren't so tragic.  With progressive dupes and Democrats that reject their founders and traditions of populism (William Jennings Bryan, Andrew Jackson, etc.) in order to tolerate hopium and change like this while refusing to represent an authentic Left or the interests of the people, who needs someone like Paul Ryan posing with his hidden hand on the Right while lecturing about how the international "markets" will react to Democrats spending more debt/money? 

Markets = too big to fail bankers.  That will probably become more apparent as the abject failure of modern progressivism, progresses.

With respect to where the funding for roads would come from, it could be created out of nothing by elected representatives closer to a local level instead of by being created out of nothing and lent into existence to governments by global bankers.  Or they could raise taxes, like honest politicians.  (Wait, oxymoron)  Or other scenarios.  But the way things are now, even if you borrow enough money into existence to "fund our roads and schools" you'll probably find yourself selling it all back to multinational corporations later anyway.  (Parking meters and roads are already being sold and incorporated into the New World Order Inc., still waiting on the schools...  just kidding.*  Seriously.) 

As progressives, you can't just let bankers create money out of nothing (While two towers collapse in the background that you also can't put two words together about, in general.) and expect to be able to shift or redistribute it back around according to Marxist redistribution schemes that are already incorporated in the same old pillars of the Masonic banking systems anyway.    

*SHEBOYGAN, Wis. — A growing number of cash-strapped cities and schools are selling naming rights to parks, gyms, locker rooms and even the principal's office.

Kitchens at two high schools here will soon be called the Kohler Credit Union kitchens, thanks to a $45,000 donation. The cafeterias are up for grabs for $300,000.

Cities and schools can get one-time payments in excess of $500,000 for naming big facilities. Schools have been selling the rights for several years, and now an increasing number of cities are joining the trend, says Larry Foxman of the National League of Cities.

Chicago is accepting bids to name the freeway now called the Chicago Skyway. Washington, D.C., considered selling naming rights to its subway stations. Las Vegas sells naming rights for its monorail.

Dean Bonham, CEO of the Bonham Group, a sports marketing company that negotiates naming rights, says the deals work for schools and cities because "it costs them nothing to create this revenue." For companies, it's "the best marketing platform available."  USA Today

Again, it's relatively simple. You can't let a small group of people begin creating money out of nothing as a debt to lend at interest while pretending that's the equivalent of elected representatives creating money out of nothing and spending it into existence on infrastructure and so on and so forth. See, I added the and so on there to create some vagueness for you to fill in with your imagination.... supposedly.

At least discussing things with progressives has some entertainment value.... Kokesh may not be your enemy, your enemy is already shaping your entire way of life and preventing you from having representation on the Left.  Because whatever a supposedly Leftist or "Marxist" politician serving Masonic bankers is supposedly giving based on public funding with their left hand, they're secretly taking away from the public with their right. 

"....when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing..."  --Jesus

There again, He was betrayed by the banker of the twelve and descended into chaos or the abyss when there were eleven.  It's all supposedly just archetypes and symbolism, except when it isn't. (E.g., 911)   

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Metabunk comment (10/26)

Look at you, all concise and no rambling.
Bang on target... solid debunk upon solid debunk.
I can hardly believe the audacity when people allege AJ is anti semitic... as his wife is Jewish.

Not to mention that according to racists and actual anti Semites, he's part of a Jewish conspiracy for that reason.
Probably worth noting that if there was no Alex Jones or "Storm Clouds Gathering" as rapidly growing media outlets for criticizing the oligarchs and bankers in general, then people might turn to the fascists and their ideas.  Especially in the case of any collapse due to the whole process of the way that money/debt is currently being created out of nothing by occultists and Talmudists and so forth. Evidence, facts = Greece. I cite evidence, unlike a progressive that probably sees vague "tinges" of Antisemitism in Alex Jones because they've never actually argued with or dealt with Antisemitism in reality.

When did a religion become a race?

Apparently it was after Wilhelm Marr invented the pseudo scientific term "Semite," which was after oligarchs and international bankers claiming to be Jews and supporters of Zionism were done with Germany. "Judea Declares War on Germany" Etc. I wonder if they're about to declare war on Greece collectively, as Jews. I can only imagine Jewish peasants there in that case: "Oh crap, they said that we just declared war on Greece. That's great.  I didn't declare war here, did you?" I hope the oligarchs and Zionist media outlets cut back on the headlines for the sake of Jewish peasants that actually have to live in other places if they decide to declare war anywhere again.

Shrug. The longer people sit around trying to say that Jones is supposedly "antisemitic" instead of dealing rationally with some of the issues that he probably can't be debunked on, the worse the inevitable "correction" to increasing amounts of corruption in America will be. Because if corruption is not revealed by the media, then it will be revealed by infinite amounts of ponzi and symbols of debt/money colliding with a finite globe and the math and physics of which the real world is composed. It's a mathematical and physical certainty. Globalists say that won't happen because it's not a zero sum game, like Mr. "New World Order" Biden recently. There again, he said that they were planning to stimulate the economy with the MFer Global Corzine. And that went well, didn't it? Literally. He can't put two words together about the nature of banksterism and the Wizard of Oz at the end of the yellow brick road, so his silence says enough. They're either too dumb, literally, and therefore shouldn't be leaders. Or they're corrupt... and therefore shouldn't be leaders.

Jones is correct and cannot be debunked on the banking/ponzi aspect of it and New World Order Inc. front men like Biden, as far as I know.  That's fairly well documented. I'd be interested if anyone could debunk him on that or the whole process by which money/debt is being created out of nothing by international bankers in order to incorporate your children as collateral in the systems of debt/money that oligarchs trade with each other.

Actually, I think somewhere in this thread someone denied that the NWO even exists or something like that. If that's the case, then what have Biden and numerous other politicians and members of the ruling class been talking about when they keep saying: "We'd like to establish a New World Order. After all, we keep screwing the current one up with all of our ponzi." I don't get it. Maybe it's just the entertaining "ooga booga... scared yet!!!!!" framework or theories that Jones tends to put facts in. And then people go about their day to day life, they aren't scared, figure there's not much to fear... and then conclude that international bankers aren't actually looting the value of their economic language out from underneath them or that it won't cause "collapse" and so forth.

After all, life goes on... until that day when it doesn't.

Antisemitism

Why is antisemitism a charge so readily thrown at skeptics?

  The slightest skeptical comment is accused of being “antisemitic.” This catchword has been so overworked it has become meaningless. This neologism was concocted by Wilhelm Marr, a hater of Judaics on the basis of their race, not their religion. His term is the product of the scientism of the 19th century. Moshe Zimmerman of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem comments on one of Marr’s principal works, Der Sieg des Judenthums über das Germanenthum (“The Victory of Judaism over Germanism,” 1879), “...it is an attempt at a socio-cultural history of the development of Jewish hegemony in the world in general and in Germany in particular, without blaming this development on the Jewish religion. Marr’s school...was a new paganism, was anti-Christian....”  Marr viewed Judaics “scientifically,” as a biological entity, an eternal tribe, a racial species. Their religion was not the issue for him. This was precisely the opposite of the gospel of New Testament Christianity and all those who remain faithful to it: Judaics were only admonished in so far as they were advocates of the religion of the Pharisees. Their race was not the issue. As Charles D. Provan has written, “For the Christian, one’s so-called ‘race’ has no bearing on his standing with God. So our attack on the Talmud is not based on race. We Christians are followers of Jesus Christ our Lord, who was a Jew according to the flesh. We reject the claim of ‘racial Jews’ to be ‘the chosen people,’ but this by no means makes us view their race as evil. It is not evil; it is irrelevant.”329 It is an act of extraordinarily brazen intellectual dishonesty to term Christians who expose the Talmud, “antisemitic.”

 Marr invented the term “anti-semitism” in October, 1879 when he founded the Anti-Semitic League. “...Marr, in his 1879 writings, consciously used the terms ‘Judaism’ and ‘Germanism’ as main terms, and ‘Semitism’ and ‘Aryanism’ as secondary terms. Marr absorbed these secondary terms from the scientific jargon which had developed during the 1870s...If Marr was troubled by any term, it was not by ‘Germanism’ but by ‘Judaism,’ which bore such a clear religious connotation. Since Marr’s avowed stance in 1879, consistent with his theories, was ‘antireligious,’ he needed a term which would clearly indicate that the Jews were a racial unit. Marr apparently felt in his 1879 anti-Jewish writings that the content of the essays and the use of the term ‘Semitism’...would impart a new, nonreligious, connotation to the term ‘anti-Jewish’...the term ‘anti-semitism’...is considered by historians as an innovation in the transition from the religious basis of hatred of Jews to the racial basis...” 330 Marr’s goal in devising the term anti-semitism was to “separate” from Christian opponents of Judaics by distinguishing between them and opponents of the Judaic “race,” by denominating the latter as “antisemitism.” 331

 The mania to appear scientific by adopting technical jargon, was shared by Marr’s supposed enemies, who eventually adopted his term as a means for lumping all those who take exception to either Judaism, the Talmud, the rabbinate and the Sanhedrin, or Zionism and Israeli colonialism and occupation, as “antisemitism.” This is a flagrantly erroneous mishmash, but its use lends an air of objective social research and taxonomy to the campaign to demonize Christians faithful to Jesus Christ’s gospel witness, as a species of rock-crawling insect, the “antisemite.” Because this term has subliminal negative associations with goose-stepping Nazis, ranting demagogues, cemetery vandals, Aryan supremacists etc., the media can take a Christian who steadfastly exposes Phariseeism in its modern incarnation of Orthodox Judaism and by tarring him (or her) with the “antisemitic” slur, turn him into a neo-Nazi, gravestone-tipping, swastika-painting synagogue vandal, just because he gives the same warning about Orthodox rabbis that Jesus Christ gave concerning first century Pharisees. The employment of the term “antisemitism” against Christian scholars and evangelists who reject racism is another one of the brilliant deceits by which Judaism maintains its hold over humanity. Not everyone has bought into this deception, however. By way of illustration, the British magazine The Economist in its Aug. 24, 1935 issue, correctly described Adolf Hitler’s movement as follows: “The Nazi party stalwarts...have all been leading an anti-Semitic, anti-Catholic, antiProtestant...crusade.” The Economist makes the proper distinction between race-based opposition to Judaics on the part of the Nazis who were also, at the highest levels, anti-Christian. This is not to say that no heretical Christians ever became Nazis or ever identified themselves with “antisemitism.” But Christianity as preached by Christ and His apostles and faithfully adhered to by His followers cannot be race-based and cannot object to Judaic persons on the basis of their race. But it has been very important to the rabbis and the Zionists to conceal this distinction in order to emphasize their own alleged blamelessness by promoting the notion that they are being exposed not mainly because of their anti-Christ ideology but by an accident of birth, their having been born of Judaic ethnicity. Seen in this perspective, Christian watchfulness toward Judaism becomes an irrational objection to a biological condition which Judaic persons cannot change and did not choose.
(Judaism Discovered: A Study of the Anti-Biblical Religion of Racism, Self-Worship, Superstition and Deceit (Independent History and Research) Hoffman, Michael (2008-08-10))

  At the epicenter of it, some rabbis and Jewish factions feed off of it because it legitimizes their ideology.  That's where it originally came from, although there are secular versions.  There's a whole special relationship between Zionism and American exceptionalism that has evolved from it in forms of "Judeo" Christianity or apocalyptic visions of some sort of a "Jewish race." 

Apparently it doesn't actually have to make any sense as far as identifying with a tribe goes.  (As if they even get along with their own tribe or don't know that there are a lot of exceptionally idiotic people in whichever tribe/team they're identifying with as an individual.) For most people, tribalism or racism don't have to make sense in the real world.

For most real antisemites and not just whoever the ADL or rabbis or other Judaics disagree with at the moment, all they really want to do is take the ideology of the rabbis and make it their own by claiming that they're the chosen tribe or race in some way.  Racism breeds racism.  There's no "They started it." excuse for anyone.  But with respect to Judaics condemning antisemitic reactionaries like the Golden Dawn in Greece after Goldman Sachs was through there and wondering, just wondering where that racism and tribalism comes from... it's often a case of logs and specks.  I.e., you could always try not claiming to be the chosen race or having secular versions of it where your IQs are supposedly higher while Lloyd Blankfein is going around claiming to be doing "God's work." and so forth.

Or another version of it, where the Arabs by nature turn gardens into desert but you, by your collective Jewish nature as the chosen and not by force of arms where you're taking the water supplies with foreign aide from the latest Empire, turn deserts into gardens... etc.  There are many versions of Jewish supremacy, whether secular/racial or Talmudic/religious... just as there are many nationalist and supremacist reactions to it.   (And even when a Talmudic mentality or secular versions of supremacy aren't even there to get the ball rolling, people are often racists by nature anyway.) 

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Official story

[quote="Hitheycallmejosh, post: 71903, member: 2045"]Right, gotcha.  Is there any possibility if there were a bomb, the evidence would have been destroyed beyond recognition in the collapse?[/quote]

With respect to the evidence, keep in mind who was managing the investigation and anyone that might have been able to find the evidence that no one was looking for due to the official story being released before the official investigation began:

[ex]...Giuliani engineered a confrontation with the New York firemen, both to divert public attention from his tampering with the evidence, and also to neutralize the potential of the firemen, the one group which might have denounced the presence of controlled demolition charges in WTC 1, 2, and 7, of which, as we have seen, they were well aware. 

...the firemen posed perhaps the greatest immediate threat to the 9/11 myth upon which the oligarchy had staked so much. The obvious campaign of psychological warfare against the firemen, therefore, was of world-historical importance.  ... 

   On October 31, Halloween, Giuliani decreed without any meaningful consultation that there would be an upper limit of 25 firefighters on each shift at the WTC pile, along with 25 New York City policemen and 25 Port Authority patrolmen. Soon “the rescue workers were up in arms. Stories went around that we had simply given up on finding bodies; that the mayor wanted to speed the cleanup so it would be finished before he left office; that we had recovered gold from the trade center and didn’t care about anything else. . . . Union officials started telling the workers we were haphazardly trucking everything to Fresh Kills–a ‘scoop and dump’ operation.” (Van Essen 265) Langewiesche defends the Mayor’s justification of cutting the firemen’s representation on the pile: “when Giuliani gave ‘safety’ as the reason for reducing their presence on the pile, he was completely sincere.” (Langewiesche 161) .... 

   In mid-October, an audience of firemen, policeman, widows, and orphans loudly booed several members of the Giuliani administration, but also Senator Hillary Clinton and a local Democratic politician. (Van Essen 258) On Friday, November 2, Giuliani was able to harvest the results of his provocations. In the morning, more than 1,000 firemen came together at the WTC. Their chants included: “Bring the brothers home! Bring the brothers home!,” “Do the right thing!,” “Rudy must go!,” and “Tom must go!,” a reference to Fire Commissioner Thomas Van Essen, a Giuliani appointee. Their signs read, “Mayor Giuliani, let us bring our brothers home.” Speakers denounced Giuliani’s hasty carting off of wreckage and remains to Fresh Kills as a “scoop and dump” operation. ...

   This scene soon degenerated into an altercation between the firefighters and the police guarding the site, and then into a full-scale riot. Twelve firefighters were taken to jail, while five policemen were injured. Giuliani had gladly sacrificed the 9/11 myth of national solidarity to the needs of his campaign of psychological warfare and provocations against the firemen.

(9/11 Synthetic Terror  Tarpley, Webster Griffin (2012-04-12))[/ex]  Not that anything really matters when the "official story" can be released before WTC 7 had even collapsed in an unprecedented way, yet people want to believe it.

At some point you're dealing with people that will believe anything. 

I better save this, on the pseudo-science and simulations of investigations surrounding WTC 7.

But since you've opened the door I'm going to ramble too, to note that it's unlikely that any "big" or "critical errors" can be found within Mick's vivid imagination and theories that could include anything from: "It was just multiple failures.. due to fire... and damage... due to office fires... but the antenna that just fell too...  or maybe it was just the explosive properties of donuts too.  Or maybe a bird flew by and just pooped on the whole thing, which put it over the edge and caused a progressive collapse in the interior that was only seen later on the exterior.  It was just the scale of the buckling involved after the initiating event of bird poop put the whole thing over the edge... plus a problem of scale...  or just something."  Etc.  It might be easier to work backward, as perhaps the only specification to the theory is what it is not:  "It was anything but a demolition.  It could have been anything and pretty much everything but that."

The only possible specification/falsification I could get with respect to his rather imaginative theories originally was "...anything not in the NIST report."  Whatever that means.  (I have numerous falsifications/verifications in mind for my own theories.  But most of them involve people following standard operating procedures and doing their jobs instead of trying to create unfalsifiable simulations of investigations.)   I doubt that Mick's falsifications are critical or are actually rooted in the technical details of the report or what's not in the report, whatever they are. 

Maybe it's semantically "critical" to understand language and any pseudo-scientific use of "Prove, analytically, it's not everything else I can imagine!" mental illusions linked to the spelling/spells of magick in debates like this about "central conclusions" within the Right/Left paradigm of our brains?  I like Mick, he seems to have some sort of integrity.   I'm just not sure about the whole idea of trying to program about half of all reason out of existence and then turning to claim that you're "just"/actually dealing with reality as a whole or know that the occult "just" does or does not exist and so forth when you clearly don't know much about it.  And it's probably inevitable that people will notice the foregone central conclusions of Metabunk's programming, even it's subconscious.  Something along the lines of:  "I can't quite articulate it but it seems like something is wrong with the programming here."  And subconsciously, many Metabunkers seem to know that if they admit that intelligence was involved in bringing down WTC 7 then significant parts of their worldview might collapse at near free fall speeds too.  And that is more "critical" than the technical details and the unfalsifiable/unverifiable theories and simulations that they're using to maintain their central conclusions and over all worldview.     

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The truth probably doesn't matter to Christian Zionists, so I'll post this here.

They can pick any 10 of our federal leaders and we get Bebe.

Have you considered moving to Israel?  For instance, you could convert to Judaism and then you'd have a "Law of Return" where it turns out that there's no separation of religion and state despite all the lawsuits brought by Talmudists in America and so forth.  Because religion and the state can be totally mixed with racial or tribal ideas the Jewish state, apparently:

Return to the land of Israel is a recurring theme in Jewish prayers recited every day, three times a day, and holiday services on Passover and Yom Kippur traditionally conclude with the words "Next year in Jerusalem". Because Jewish lineage can provide a right to Israeli citizenship, aliyah (returning to Israel) has both a secular and a religious significance.
   For generations of religious Jews, aliyah was associated with the coming of the Jewish Messiah. Jews prayed for their Messiah to come, who was to redeem the land of Israel from gentile rule and return world Jewry to the land under a Halachic theocracy.  --Wikipedia

  Note this: "Because Jewish lineage can provide a right to Israeli citizenship, aliyah (returning to Israel) has both a secular and a religious significance." 

There's no secular/racial version of it, though.  Because all "Jewish lineage" means is that someone converted to Judaism, i.e. a religion, at some point in the past.

But the whole idea is falsely mixed in with racial/tribal ideas and imagery by some.  That would explain the sterilization of Ethopian Judaics by European converts due to the emergence of supremacist factions within an overall ideology of supremacy.  But that doesn't mean that you couldn't convert and seek to establish or find refuge in a Jewish state like Ethopian Jews too  After all, establishing Judaism is the only establishment or "imposing" of religion allowed these days.  An entire state for Jews, for everyone else and Americans attacked by Talmudists abusing the law... no religious/tribal/collective identity is allowed to even be expressed in the public square.

It's curious how when it comes to Judaism the truth of things usually doesn't matter, whether for a Christian Zionist or a Talmudist.  But when it comes to Islam, then everyone is pretty much a terrorist and it's ok to begin assassinating sixteen year old Arab kids without trial and so forth.

Why do Americans want to take sides on it?  Judaics do not necessarily share American's Constitutional values anymore than Muslim factions do, although they can both choose to put their ideologies of religious/tribal supremacy aside to live under the rule of law and the Constitution along with everyone else.  And with respect to their nations, they can both live according to the same standards.  (I.e. there shouldn't be a rogue nuclear state in the MidEast trying to find WMDs in the underpants of everyone else.) 

Becoming involved in the fights of supremacists of one sort or another is not in our interests as Americans.  If you want to become involved in that and like their leaders then convert to Judaism or find a Judaic ancestor in your lineage and move there. 

In any event, I'll grant the point about Netanyahu being a better leader than the corrupt degenerates and "pets" that are increasingly typical to the American oligarchy.  Imagine the pet/Coons and Harry Reid as commandos put in charge of ethnic cleansing... and well, there you go.  It gives you some idea of why the Israelis usually get what they want from America as far as getting Americans to fight wars after "Death to America, Death to Israel." anthrax attacks that don't even go as planned and so forth.

Anthrax attacks

Remember the WMDs found in America in the "death to America, death to Israel" attacks though?  Those were the days.  How could they use those "Mossad says that they met with Iraqis here."  WMD attacks as a pretext for war and then"find" the anthrax that Iraq was supposed to be blamed for when it had already been traced back to America's own military industrial complex? People say that they don't believe in conspiracies because they'd be too hard to pull off successfully.  But then when there is evidence that they were not pulled off successfully, well.  Not that most lemmings actually know anything about anything due to the corporate media.

Anyway... Collin Powell was probably pretty disappointed, given that the groundwork had already been laid with his little vial of anthrax and the "mobile weapons labs," etc. 

Good argument from your perspective, though.... it's just that you're lacking an overall view of all the evidence as to why lies about WMDs have been told. Apparently the world is on to it all now, so Russia's late response: "He just said people could investigate?  Ok, let's investigate!"  But that's no thanks to people within America and Britain that believe in their corporate/"mainstream" media.  

Anyway, at least the "bully" apparently got tired of the WMD technique and didn't try to go into Syria/Iran looking for WMDs too despite the best efforts of AIPAC and dual citizens.  Maybe there's only so many times Zionists can lie about or seek to profit from there supposedly being WMDs in the underpants of everyone else, etc.  (Chertoff, Rapiscan Inc....  "underwear bomber".  Seriously.  A bra bomber would have been better.  Just saying.)  In a way, I guess refusing to go to war based on lies is dangerous.  After all, they might do another anthrax attack with a little note on it: "From, Assad.  P.S., please bomb me." and so forth.

Self censorship.. actually, I'll stick with that for now.

In any event, the nerd can never be the bully because they're always the victim.  So that's the end of it, unless people realize that the nerd is usually being a bully too in their own way. Sort of like Chertoff (Talmudic mentality, "victim") making a lot of money trying to find WMDs in the underwear of Team America, World Police later.  After all, Team America might be a bully too...  as other dual citizens in charge of American "national security" while trying to disarm the American people and so forth apparently believe. 

Apparently any time Westerners want their underpants checked for WMDs, they better have a special relationship with those put in charge of doing it.. huh?   

To show you how far the mentality of supremacy through spiritual/mental manipulation and the idea of special victimization goes, I just realized that I was self-censoring.  To be clear, the Zionists and their PNAC/neocon collaborators and so forth are responsible for guiding the imperial bully into war.  As far as WMDs goes, it's the same type of people responsible for the anthrax attacks.  That's why they never found the "mobile weapons labs" and vials of anthrax in Iraq but they did find out that "Death to America, death to Israel" emerged from America's own military industrial complex, despite Collin Powell being trotted out.  Fortunately the brainless "bully" of the world was barely stopped (despite the best efforts of AIPAC) from going into Syria/Iran looking for WMDs in Assad's underpants and perhaps Iran's "yellow cake" or whatever too.        

[quote]It just doesn't make sense and like I said before, a new investigation will be a waste of time, money and human resources.[/quote]

That's probably true.  But that doesn't mean that people have to play pretend on the internet that the scientific evidence isn't what it is or that the most likely explanation based on both the technical details and the "big picture" evidence having to do with means, motive and opportunity isn't what it is too.  If the technical details of NIST's simulation of an investigation are wrong or falsified by all these engineers coming forward and so forth, then people are going to begin to stumble over or toward the big picture... and then turn away or pick themselves up and carry on as if nothing happened, most likely. 

Perhaps a good saying for most truthers:  "You want the truth?  You can't handle the truth!"   That's probably a good saying for me too, yet I keep looking. 

Metabunk 10/10...meh.

For example, I wouldn't be as likely to imagine the whole 9 "11" event as a huge ritual involving or invoking a collapse of the Two Pillars of civilization upon which the current Right/Left paradigm rests and so forth.  Instead I could try to imagine that it's just happenstance and I'm inventing a story/theory, due to the technical details being out of sync.   There again, I could just invent a new theory to fit the technical details too.  If it wasn't occultists interested in Zion and the Two Pillars of Solomon's temple incorporated in the event on this side of the heavens, then one could say that the Devil himself saw to it that the ritual was completed. (Talk about demonizing your opponents, huh?)

But it's hard to even begin to tell what supposedly "fits" different theories and scenarios when scientists don't do their jobs at a base or basic level.

I see your and Mick's perspective on it, I think.  From my perspective on what I can only imagine is your perspective, the irony is that it may not really matter if the shear studs and all the technical details are there or not.  Consider that it's possible that the NIST report could be the equivalent of the work of crackpots engaged pseudoscience, yet that would not decentralize your central argument and overall view of the world.  Like me, you could just invent another story/theory in which the NIST report wouldn't matter. 

But everyone wants the mantle of science or repeatable and observable regularities, as knowledge of what the masses perceive as scientific is the epistemic gold standard in a world ruled by the Wizard of "Oz."   

 (It took me a few weeks to change my overall view of the world based on the science of WTC 7.  I could be wrong.  And it's not like I even wanted to change my worldview or allow "911" to collapse the Right/Left paradigm in the first place.  Unfortunately the lie seems to be wrapped all around the truth, so one just climbs up a bit to the next layer of lies.  Or if one gets rid of demons, then they come back in sevens.  Anyway, I like to think that I could change my mind back again.  But... not based on the NIST report or anything I've seen on Metabunk yet.)     

The CIA and the Cult of Intelligence

Seeing symbolism in the Wizard of Oz

The Symbolism Hidden Within "THE WIZARD of OZ" 
~ author unknown

The "Wizard of Oz", written by L. Frank Baum, is not a mere child's story.

What is "Oz" a symbol for?  Ounces.

What is measured in ounces? Gold.

What is the yellow brick road? Bricks or ingot bars of gold.

The character known as the Straw Man represents that fictitious, ALL CAPS, legal fiction - a PERSON, the Federal U.S. Government created with the same spelling as your birth name.

Remember what the Straw Man wanted from the Wizard of Oz? A Brain! No juristic person - legal fiction - paper corporation has a brain because he/she has no breath of life.

What did he get in place of a brain? A certificate: a Birth Certificate for a new legal creation.

He was proud of his new legal status, plus all the other legalisms he was granted. Now he becomes the epitome of the brainless sack of straw who was given a certificate in place of a grain of common sense.

Now, what about the Tin Man?  Does Taxpayer Identification Number (TIN) recall anything to mind? The poor TIN Man just stood there mindlessly doing his work until his body literally froze up and stopped functioning.He worked himself to death because he had no heart nor soul.

The Wizard of Ponzi

I'm not sure that all the symbolism attributed to it was actually in the writer's mind originally.  Which is fine, if you want to think about things for yourself .  But some of it certainly was.

With respect to the yellow brick road, I sometimes wonder if politicians like Ron Paul are like the last compartments in the flow chart of a collateralized debt obligation.  I.e. he's like the extremely "low risk" portion of it.  He couldn't ever win but he's an important part of the show. As in, the Masonic Inc. bankers know that they're not in any danger or risk until more and more people head in the direction of a "cowardly lion" like Ron Paul or begin taking the advice of Alex "straw man" Jones to invest in gold or calamity and catastrophe instead of organizing communities to create money out of nothing for themselves.  (I'm probably wrong about that, unless Paul is a Mason and so forth.  Interesting to think about... he's probably authentic and the real deal though. In so much as anyone in a world full of secret societies and ponzi is.)

Not that it really matters given how far Americans are far realizing that they even need to begin to think about having some silver slippers to travel the yellow brick road that bankers have a monopoly on... in order to realize that in the end there's no place like home.  Home or the local community, where people could begin to just create money out of nothing for themselves instead of having central bankers and the little old men behind the curtain become "great and powerful" based on an illusion the American dream.

Where's Toto when you need him?   

Casting call for Boehner:

Metabunk 10/8

But as far as the occultists and their magick goes, interesting to note that 911 was emblematic of the collapse* of the Two Pillars of civilization or the Left/Right paradigm from some perspectives. So those that are stuck with the old paradigm may have hitched their wagon to a falling star, as far as 911 truth goes.

*Although it's pretty hard to finish off the symbolic Center of the trinity. And that's probably why people never will, no matter how many pyramid schemes of three are built or brought down and merged into one. Thank God for that, huh? The technical details of the theatrical production of symbolism vary. In the case of 911, apparently anything from office fires to directed energy weapons will do, as far as getting the "Two Towers" and then the Center to collapse on time.

Is the third and final volume as the all seeing eye looks down on the scene the "Return of the King"? J.R.R. Tolkien was into the occult like all the rest so he must have been a conspirator, huh? Anyway, it's a good story. I just wish that no one was ever sacrificed in reality for the sake of symbolism or what amounts to mere fantasy from some perspectives. There again, who am I to judge.

Wolves in Sheep's Clothing

Entertainment in Delaware

And here you and the governor of Delaware are to provide the show... well, at least it's entertaining. And it won't make much difference to me personally.  I just feel bad for the poor people that always get hit first when the bread and circuses stop and your bathroom sh*t hits the fan.  It's likely that the gender bent will eventually get hit too, given that many people with right wing tendencies seem to think of them as emblematic of decadence and an anagram for the apocalypse. 

The Right/male/masculine and the Left/female/feminine and sex aren't going anyway, no one has truly transcended these ancient categories.  You could try to have a huge ritual in which the Two Pillars or Two Towers upon which civilization rests are destroyed and merged into one.  But it's all just an unsustainable circus act in the Big Apple of the forbidden fruit, even if you were to build a big statue of Lucifer the light bearer too.  Or even if you had a global empire and were essentially looting the wealth of the world underneath a "One World Trade Center," it still wouldn't be sustainable without the trinity of the family and so the cycle of civilization would still go back to the Golden Dawn once your peasants and peons were done playing pretend about the virtues of transexual "Lady Gaga" goo, goo chaos and disorder.  "Order out of chaos."  That's the slogan of those a little higher up in the pyramid scheme.  They see a little wealth or a little magick trick and then they're incorporated into it, apparently not realizing that from a higher spiritual perspective they're still peons.  How "elite." 

The Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn (or, more commonly, the Golden Dawn) was an organization devoted to the study and practice of the occult, metaphysics, and paranormal activities during the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Known as a magical order, the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn was active in Great Britain and focused its practices on theurgy and spiritual development. --Wikipedia

I wonder how many of the people meandering toward fascism in Greece are knowledgeable about the occult and hidden ways of shaping the cultural petri dish?  Probably only the leaders. 

Too bad some members of secret societies and old orders bungle things: It'll take time to restore chaos."  --W  I actually kind of liked Bush as an entertainer in chief in some ways.  Even if he did get things backward and let the shadow government run wild while he sat around reading about a Pet (scape) Goat and what not.  He was pretty dumb but you could tell that was probably actually a true believer to some extent... and he tried hard to play pretend about being a real leader and so forth too.

"See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda."  --W   

You have to admit, it is kind of funny. 

American Exceptionalism!!!

Ramble 10/1

In some cases, these are the "tolerant" people capable of trampling each other to death at Walmart.  So whatever symbolic forms of tolerance that they have, as far as getting Walmart to change their bathrooms for transexuals or what not, it will probably be equally cheap.  Cheap credit, cheap fuel... plastic people. 

On the other side, note the Golden Dawn in Greece after global bankers were done partnering with corrupt politicians to trade in "money"/debt and so forth there.  They seem quite concerned with Mother Nature and gay rights and "blue state" or "sex in the city" type issues, don't they?  Next thing you know they'll probably be concerned about a "war on women" too.  

Look at the whole picture, every time a governor like this apparent idiot Markell does something stupid or wastes wealth, he's actually the enemy of "gay rights."  No matter how much propaganda there is or how new the idea of gender bending in "blue states" in cities that are close to epicenters of political corruption and the banker's symbolic ponzi... there will be no getting around basic biosocial facts unless you have a free energy device up your sleeve, etc.  There is nothing new under the sun.  It's all happened before in other Empires.  And it's already begun happening again in America, for all its might and the tribute flowing toward Pax Americana and so forth. 

If an Empire is like an organism then it will have a certain lifespan, generally based on energy availability/consumption and the internal integrity in its cells or DNA and so forth.  But like many of the Founders said... why not slow the process down and balance it out?